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Tifosi Celtic · 26-04-2012 16:14:47

TURN YOUR BACKS TO NEWCO IN SPL
On Sunday the GB will be turning our backs to the game on the 15th minute in opposition to the prospect of a Hun Newco. being re-instated into the SPL.
With the SPL meeting on Monday to decide on possible sanctions against a Newco., Sunday is the best and only platform for the Celtic support to unite in opposition towards this prospect. We therefore urge all supporters to turn their backs on the 15th minute mark and make our feelings clear to those who will be deciding the fate of the future of Scottish football.

Rubiosrfc35 · 26-04-2012 18:15:08

I've heard about the Newco issue for the Rangers. But I've absolutely no idea what Newco is and what is the problem with it. Could you tell me more about it please?

Glasgow_Celtic · 27-04-2012 21:00:08

A newco (new company) is basically the old company which we know now 'Glasgow Rangers' our rivals will basically Die! big_smile However a new team with the same stadium and training complex etc will emerge with a new name most likely called 'Govan Rangers'. However this would be a new club with no history and will NOT be the same as Rangers who we know at this moment. However there is some controversy surrounding the Newco team as the main bosses at the football association want to put the newco team straight into the SPL. This has caused anger because it is seen as unfair as they are a brand new team from the old team who corrupted scottish football for more than a decade and it looks like an easy way to get back into playing in the SPL and not facing any real punishment. Also results from polls say 98% of all SPL fans don't want the Newco team in the SPL but rather in Scotland's 4th tier and start from the beginning.

Hope this helps! wink

Dernière édition de: Glasgow_Celtic (27-04-2012 21:02:34)

philippe22 · 27-04-2012 22:23:18

Hi , what's the probléme ? I understand nothing . big_smile wink

Dernière édition de: philippe22 (27-04-2012 22:28:14)

Glasgow_Celtic · 28-04-2012 00:21:38

What your asking is a BIG ask and could fill a large book with what has been going on at rangers in the past 12 years. However I will try and shorten it the best I can to a few paragraphs if that can be done. lol

Let's start off by saying the following has only been public knowledge for around 6 months, however those with internet knew these goings on 2 years ago including myself but was told by every man, woman and child that it was a lot of rubbish which it turns out to be untrue as it is now common knowledge and is the biggest story in Scottish football EVER.

However let's start from the beginning....

Rangers owner since 1993 'David Murray' had a very succesful 7 years at the club leading Rangers to 9 SPL championships by buying LEGALLY half of the england team at that time and some fantastic forgein players such as the De Boer twins from the Netherlands. Rangers fans were happy, Celtic fans weren't as we weren't winning anything. tongue However when the year 2000 hit, David Murray started to feel the impact of his big spending on these great players and began to lose more money. In 2000 Murray was offered a scheme called 'Employment Benefit Trust' which means that players on big contracts won't have tax paid by rangers onto their wages. This suited Murray as he never had BIG money at that time and had to keep up with Celtic as they were buying new great talents from England such as Chris Sutton and Alan Thompson. Rangers used the EBT's in a wrong way which turned into being tax evasion. This type of scheme continued for 10 years to pay players and staff wages just to avoid paying the tax on it. Rangers had very succesful periods in the 2000's using the players getting paid wages from an illegal tax evasion scheme and getting to the Uefa Cup final in 2008 in Manchester which they lost to Zenit St Petersburg. It is said that every player to have played for Rangers since the year 2000 was evading tax which is illegal which would mean everything rangers were ever involved in such as the league would become invalid such as league championships and all the champions league and Uefa Cup games they played which meant that the teams they were playing against should be awarded wins as rangers were really playing ineligible players, nobody in Scotland has really thought about this yet. However rangers are now £134 million in debt which SHOULD liquidate the club and kill them. A saviour called 'Craig Whyte' purchased rangers in 2010/11 season and was mean to wipe out their debt of £18 million at the time and await a £49 million tax bill from the tax evasion court from the EBT's used by rangers in the 2000's. Craig Whyte was unknown in the business world and nobody knew too much about his business ventures. However, it turns out Mr Craig Whyte had sold season tickets for 5 seasons to a company but due to a whole embargo Craig Whyte ran up a bill of around £20 million with them which nobody knew about. Craig Whyte also NEVER paid his tax whilst in charge as well running up a £9 million bill with the taxman. Rangers are now in administration and got deducted 10 points. Craig Whyte is now hated by the rangers fans for what he had done to them and are also angry at David Murray for getting them into this mess in the first place. Craig Whyte is seen however as a legend by Celtic fans as he basically destroyed rangers and as a result of this will die within the next 4 months. There have been several attempts from groups to try and take over rangers and try to pay off the large debt but nobody has came up with enough money to do so. However some of these groups want to kill rangers as we know them off and create a new club with the same stadium and training facilities but wouldn't be the same team with the 140 year history. The SPL bosses want to fast-track this new rangers into the SPL and other clubs aren't happy as the new rangers wouldn't face harsh punishments for what they had done and ruined the Scottish game and is deemed as unfair on the other clubs. The clubs believe that the new rangers should start from the 4th tier and work their way up like other clubs have to do.
There is a lot more to this story but I would be here all night typing lol.

Le propriétaire rangers depuis 1993 (David Murray) a eu un succesful MEME 7 ans au club qui mène rangers à 9 championnats de SPL en achetant LEGALEMENT la moitié de l'équipe d'Angleterre à ce moment-là et quelques joueurs de forgein fantastiques comme le des jumeaux de Boer des Pays-Bas. Les fans rangers étaient les fans heureux et Celtic n'étaient pas comme nous pas gagnions n'importe quoi. : P Toutefois quand l'an 2000 succès, David Murray a commencé à sentir l'impact de ses grandes dépenses sur ces grands joueurs et a commencé à perdre plus d'argent. Dans 2000 Murray a été offert un arrangement appelé ( la Confiance d'Avantage d'Emploi - EBT) qui signifie que les joueurs sur les grands contrats n'auront pas l'impôt payé par les garde-forestiers sur leurs salaires. Ce Murray adapté comme il n'a jamais eu de GRAND argent et a dû se maintenir à ce moment-là avec Celtic comme ils achetaient de nouveaux grands talents d'Angleterre comme Chris Sutton et Alan Thompson. Les rangers ont utilisé l'EBT dans une mauvaise façon qui a tourné dans l'être de fraude fiscale. Ce type d'arrangement a continué depuis 10 ans à payer des salaires de joueurs et personnel juste pour éviter payant l'impôt dessus. Les rangers ont eu les périodes de succesful MEME dans les 2000 utilisant les joueurs sont payés des salaires d'un arrangement de fraude fiscale illégal et arrivent à la Uefa Cup finale dans 2008 à Manchester qu'ils ont perdu à Zenit St Petersburg. Il est dit que chaque joueur avoir joué pour rangers puisque l'an 2000 éludaient l'impôt qui est illégal que qui tout signifierait les rangers jamais ont été en impliqués comme la ligue deviendrait l'invalide comme les championnats de ligue et toute la ligue de champions et Uefa Cup des jeux ils ont joué qui a signifié que les équipes qu'ils jouaient contre devraient être attribuées des victoires comme les rangers jouaient vraiment inéligible Les joueurs, personne vraiment n'a pensé en Ecosse de ceci pourtant. Cependant les rangers sont maintenant £134 million dans la dette qui devraient liquider le club et les tuent. Un sauveur a appelé (Craig Whyte) a acheté des rangers dans 2010/11 saison et était moyen pour éliminer leur dette de £18 million au temps et attend une £49 million d'impôt facture du tribunal de fraude fiscale de l'EBT est utilisé par les garde-forestiers dans les 2000. Craig Whyte était inconnu dans le monde d'affaires et personne n'a su trop de ses entreprises d'affaires. Toutefois, il est Craig Whyte avait vendu des cartes d'abonnement pour 5 saisons à une entreprise mais en raison d'un embargo Craig Whyte entier a laissé accumuler une facture d'autour de £20 million avec eux que personne n'a su de. Craig Whyte n'a jamais payé aussi son impôt pendant que dans la charge laissant accumulant aussi un £9 million de facture avec le fisc. Les rangers sont maintenant dans l'administration et ont été déduits 10 points. Craig Whyte est maintenant détesté par les ventilateurs de rangers pour ce qu'il leur avait fait et sont aussi fâché à David Murray pour obtenir les dans ce désordre en premier lieu. Craig Whyte est toutefois vu aussi une légende par les fans Celtic qu'il a détruit fondamentalement des rangers et à la suite de ceci mourra dans le prochain 4 mois. Il y a eu plusieurs tentatives des groupes pour essayer et reprendre des rangers et essaient de rembourser la grande dette mais personne n'a proposé assez d'argent pour faire si. Cependant certains de ces groupes veulent tuer des rangers comme nous savons que les et crée loin un nouveau club avec le même stade et les facilités de formation mais ne serait pas la même équipe avec la 140 histoire d'an. Les patrons de SPL veulent la rapide-piste ces nouveaux rangers dans le SPL et autres clubs ne sont pas heureux comme les nouveaux rangers ne feraient pas face à de punitions dures pour ce qu'ils avaient fait et avaient ruiné le jeu écossais et sont comme estimés injuste sur les autres clubs. Les clubs croient que les nouveaux rangers devraient commencer de la quatrième rangée et travaillent leur façon en haut comme autres clubs doit faire. Il y a beaucoup plus à cette histoire mais je serais ici tout de dactylographie de nuit. lol

Dernière édition de: Glasgow_Celtic (28-04-2012 00:24:41)

Rubiosrfc35 · 28-04-2012 11:12:38

Thank you for your answer!
I've obviously heard about the tax evasion but I didn't know the whole story. Are the Rangers threatened of losing their titles won at that time?

If there is no Newco, what would happened for the Rangers? Would they just die and disappear?

philippe22 · 28-04-2012 13:39:11

Glasgow_Celtic a écrit:

What your asking is a BIG ask and could fill a large book with what has been going on at rangers in the past 12 years. However I will try and shorten it the best I can to a few paragraphs if that can be done.
Let's start off by saying the following has only been public knowledge for around 6 months, however those with internet knew these goings on 2 years ago including myself but was told by every man, woman and child that it was a lot of rubbish which it turns out to be untrue as it is now common knowledge and is the biggest story in Scottish football EVER.
However let's start from the beginning....
Rangers owner since 1993 'David Murray' had a very succesful 7 years at the club leading Rangers to 9 SPL championships by buying LEGALLY half of the england team at that time and some fantastic forgein players such as the De Boer twins from the Netherlands. Rangers fans were happy, Celtic fans weren't as we weren't winning anything. However when the year 2000 hit, David Murray started to feel the impact of his big spending on these great players and began to lose more money. In 2000 Murray was offered a scheme called 'Employment Benefit Trust' which means that players on big contracts won't have tax paid by rangers onto their wages. This suited Murray as he never had BIG money at that time and had to keep up with Celtic as they were buying new great talents from England such as Chris Sutton and Alan Thompson. Rangers used the EBT's in a wrong way which turned into being tax evasion. This type of scheme continued for 10 years to pay players and staff wages just to avoid paying the tax on it. Rangers had very succesful periods in the 2000's using the players getting paid wages from an illegal tax evasion scheme and getting to the Uefa Cup final in 2008 in Manchester which they lost to Zenit St Petersburg. It is said that every player to have played for Rangers since the year 2000 was evading tax which is illegal which would mean everything rangers were ever involved in such as the league would become invalid such as league championships and all the champions league and Uefa Cup games they played which meant that the teams they were playing against should be awarded wins as rangers were really playing ineligible players, nobody in Scotland has really thought about this yet. However rangers are now £134 million in debt which SHOULD liquidate the club and kill them. A saviour called 'Craig Whyte' purchased rangers in 2010/11 season and was mean to wipe out their debt of £18 million at the time and await a £49 million tax bill from the tax evasion court from the EBT's used by rangers in the 2000's. Craig Whyte was unknown in the business world and nobody knew too much about his business ventures. However, it turns out Mr Craig Whyte had sold season tickets for 5 seasons to a company but due to a whole embargo Craig Whyte ran up a bill of around £20 million with them which nobody knew about. Craig Whyte also NEVER paid his tax whilst in charge as well running up a £9 million bill with the taxman. Rangers are now in administration and got deducted 10 points. Craig Whyte is now hated by the rangers fans for what he had done to them and are also angry at David Murray for getting them into this mess in the first place. Craig Whyte is seen however as a legend by Celtic fans as he basically destroyed rangers and as a result of this will die within the next 4 months. There have been several attempts from groups to try and take over rangers and try to pay off the large debt but nobody has came up with enough money to do so. However some of these groups want to kill rangers as we know them off and create a new club with the same stadium and training facilities but wouldn't be the same team with the 140 year history. The SPL bosses want to fast-track this new rangers into the SPL and other clubs aren't happy as the new rangers wouldn't face harsh punishments for what they had done and ruined the Scottish game and is deemed as unfair on the other clubs. The clubs believe that the new rangers should start from the 4th tier and work their way up like other clubs have to do.
There is a lot more to this story but I would be here all night typing lol.

Le propriétaire rangers depuis 1993 (David Murray) a eu un succesful MEME 7 ans au club qui mène rangers à 9 championnats de SPL en achetant LEGALEMENT la moitié de l'équipe d'Angleterre à ce moment-là et quelques joueurs de forgein fantastiques comme le des jumeaux de Boer des Pays-Bas. Les fans rangers étaient les fans heureux et Celtic n'étaient pas comme nous pas gagnions n'importe quoi. : P Toutefois quand l'an 2000 succès, David Murray a commencé à sentir l'impact de ses grandes dépenses sur ces grands joueurs et a commencé à perdre plus d'argent. Dans 2000 Murray a été offert un arrangement appelé ( la Confiance d'Avantage d'Emploi - EBT) qui signifie que les joueurs sur les grands contrats n'auront pas l'impôt payé par les garde-forestiers sur leurs salaires. Ce Murray adapté comme il n'a jamais eu de GRAND argent et a dû se maintenir à ce moment-là avec Celtic comme ils achetaient de nouveaux grands talents d'Angleterre comme Chris Sutton et Alan Thompson. Les rangers ont utilisé l'EBT dans une mauvaise façon qui a tourné dans l'être de fraude fiscale. Ce type d'arrangement a continué depuis 10 ans à payer des salaires de joueurs et personnel juste pour éviter payant l'impôt dessus. Les rangers ont eu les périodes de succesful MEME dans les 2000 utilisant les joueurs sont payés des salaires d'un arrangement de fraude fiscale illégal et arrivent à la Uefa Cup finale dans 2008 à Manchester qu'ils ont perdu à Zenit St Petersburg. Il est dit que chaque joueur avoir joué pour rangers puisque l'an 2000 éludaient l'impôt qui est illégal que qui tout signifierait les rangers jamais ont été en impliqués comme la ligue deviendrait l'invalide comme les championnats de ligue et toute la ligue de champions et Uefa Cup des jeux ils ont joué qui a signifié que les équipes qu'ils jouaient contre devraient être attribuées des victoires comme les rangers jouaient vraiment inéligible Les joueurs, personne vraiment n'a pensé en Ecosse de ceci pourtant. Cependant les rangers sont maintenant £134 million dans la dette qui devraient liquider le club et les tuent. Un sauveur a appelé (Craig Whyte) a acheté des rangers dans 2010/11 saison et était moyen pour éliminer leur dette de £18 million au temps et attend une £49 million d'impôt facture du tribunal de fraude fiscale de l'EBT est utilisé par les garde-forestiers dans les 2000. Craig Whyte était inconnu dans le monde d'affaires et personne n'a su trop de ses entreprises d'affaires. Toutefois, il est Craig Whyte avait vendu des cartes d'abonnement pour 5 saisons à une entreprise mais en raison d'un embargo Craig Whyte entier a laissé accumuler une facture d'autour de £20 million avec eux que personne n'a su de. Craig Whyte n'a jamais payé aussi son impôt pendant que dans la charge laissant accumulant aussi un £9 million de facture avec le fisc. Les rangers sont maintenant dans l'administration et ont été déduits 10 points. Craig Whyte est maintenant détesté par les ventilateurs de rangers pour ce qu'il leur avait fait et sont aussi fâché à David Murray pour obtenir les dans ce désordre en premier lieu. Craig Whyte est toutefois vu aussi une légende par les fans Celtic qu'il a détruit fondamentalement des rangers et à la suite de ceci mourra dans le prochain 4 mois. Il y a eu plusieurs tentatives des groupes pour essayer et reprendre des rangers et essaient de rembourser la grande dette mais personne n'a proposé assez d'argent pour faire si. Cependant certains de ces groupes veulent tuer des rangers comme nous savons que les et crée loin un nouveau club avec le même stade et les facilités de formation mais ne serait pas la même équipe avec la 140 histoire d'an. Les patrons de SPL veulent la rapide-piste ces nouveaux rangers dans le SPL et autres clubs ne sont pas heureux comme les nouveaux rangers ne feraient pas face à de punitions dures pour ce qu'ils avaient fait et avaient ruiné le jeu écossais et sont comme estimés injuste sur les autres clubs. Les clubs croient que les nouveaux rangers devraient commencer de la quatrième rangée et travaillent leur façon en haut comme autres clubs doit faire. Il y a beaucoup plus à cette histoire mais je serais ici tout de dactylographie de nuit.

Any more , sorry big_smile ,but thanks for your job ! smile

Dernière édition de: philippe22 (28-04-2012 13:39:48)

Glasgow_Celtic · 28-04-2012 19:45:47

Rubiosrfc35 a écrit:

Thank you for your answer!
I've obviously heard about the tax evasion but I didn't know the whole story. Are the Rangers threatened of losing their titles won at that time?
If there is no Newco, what would happened for the Rangers? Would they just die and disappear?

Losing their titles? They should but it is very unlikely they will as rangers are Scotland's establishment club and are seen as the 'superior race' lol

Without a newco there would be no rangers at all. However a newco will happen shall rangers die, it's a certainty.

Glasgow_Celtic · 29-04-2012 20:04:30

Woooooooooohoooooooo!!!!!! big_smile

Celtic 3-0 rangers today at Celtic Park, great game and atmosphere!! smile

Rubiosrfc35 · 29-04-2012 22:07:36

I watched the game too, and was obviously really happy of the score. But was it the last Old Firm EVER?

Glasgow_Celtic · 29-04-2012 22:10:12

Rubiosrfc35 a écrit:

I watched the game too, and was obviously really happy of the score. But was it the last Old Firm EVER?

Most likely could be. So much so that I kept a souvenir from the game (a black flag from the green brigade display).

philippe22 · 29-04-2012 22:35:19

Rubiosrfc35 a écrit:

I watched the game too, and was obviously really happy of the score. But was it the last Old Firm EVER?

yikes Very bad news for your championship , if is the reality ,that's his death . sad

sdelauna · 29-04-2012 22:38:28

Celtic will go to Champion's League?

Glasgow_Celtic · 29-04-2012 23:22:10

Now in Scotland, 2 teams get into the 3rd round qualifiers. Celtic take the champions route and are seeded and don't play the big teams, then we progress to the playoffs also seeded in the champions route then it's the group stages. The second placed team (Motherwell) do the same as Celtic but don't take the champions route so play the seeded champions teams.

It used to be that the Scottish champions enter the group stages and second place into the qualifiers but the Scottish teams have done badly in Europe do we lost that group stage guarantee.

The 3rd 4th and cup finalists go into Europa league qualifiers.

sdelauna · 29-04-2012 23:24:53

Okay, thanks smile

L'esprit chafouin · 29-04-2012 23:26:07

Isn't it a little disappointment, however, to learn that your biggest rival in Scotland will be liquidated because of a financial issue ?
Don't you think you will miss them, after all ?

What a pity to know that there will never be an old firm again... sad

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Mazheo · 29-04-2012 23:40:55

Celtic's victory makes me happy too, moreover on this score. Nonetheless I agree with L'esprit chafouin concerning the financial settlement of Rangers. It will be sad for football if there isn't an old firm ever... hmm

Dernière édition de: Mazheo (29-04-2012 23:42:17)

paul_35 · 30-04-2012 15:05:49

Just a little question which hasn't really something to do with football...

In English when you say "Celtic peoples" or "Celtic languages" or "Celtic music", I know it's pronounced "Keltic".

For the name of your team why do you rather pronounce "Ssseltic FC" ?

Glasgow_Celtic · 30-04-2012 23:23:22

paul_35 a écrit:

Just a little question which hasn't really something to do with football...
In English when you say "Celtic peoples" or "Celtic languages" or "Celtic music", I know it's pronounced "Keltic".
For the name of your team why do you rather pronounce "Ssseltic FC" ?

Yes that is true. Celtic were originally pronounced Keltic but due to Irish influence they pronounced the K as S and it kid of stuck from them on.

Glasgow_Celtic · 30-04-2012 23:25:08

L'esprit chafouin a écrit:

Isn't it a little disappointment, however, to learn that your biggest rival in Scotland will be liquidated because of a financial issue ?
Don't you think you will miss them, after all ?
What a pity to know that there will never be an old firm again...

No we won't miss them as everyone knows Scotland as a country will benefit without them, no more fighting and abuse in scotland anymore. Scotland as a country will be better off. Also I hate rangers and would love to see them die and they won't be missed.

Dernière édition de: Glasgow_Celtic (30-04-2012 23:25:45)

Glasgow_Celtic · 30-04-2012 23:28:12

CDC

From yesterday featuring our manager, the taxman, the green brigade ultras skull cartoon, craig whyte (rangers owner-Celtic legend).

Votre jour vient in French.

Dernière édition de: Glasgow_Celtic (30-04-2012 23:29:24)

philippe22 · 01-05-2012 14:18:19

The Ghost Riders , is just like a famous song of The Blues Brothers ! cool

Glasgow_Celtic · 01-05-2012 17:36:42

It's not meant to be ghost riders it's meant to be 'the four horseman'. tongue

Oh, and as I sit/stand there at Celtic park I kept one of those black flags as a souvenir as this will be the last ever game.

philippe22 · 01-05-2012 18:01:28

That 's a funeral ceremony ? big_smile

Glasgow_Celtic · 01-05-2012 18:36:22

philippe22 a écrit:

That 's a funeral ceremony ?

Yes. wink tongue

And what a good funeral it was. big_smile

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